Most of the counter-arguments below are direct quotes from arguments in internet discussion lists or other venues, or composites of such arguments. The names have been removed, but we have been as faithful as possible to the original arguments; when we find our own responses less than satisfactory, or are not sure about the answer, we prefer to leave the question up in the air. We have no interest in defeating straw men; we want to answer an argument that is made as effectively as possible, or we can be sure that an opponent who is not a straw-man will appear to frame the argument more effectively.